在1900年, In 1900,
一个孩子在西藏出生了。 a child was born in tibet.
他将成为一名伟大的佛教大师。 He would become a great buddhist master.
他的名字叫蒋贡康楚仁波切（创巴仁波切的老师） His name was Jamgon Kongtrul
在1960年, In 1960,
他在狱中被中国政府杀害。 he died while in prison by the chinese government.
在1973年, In 1973,
他会像我一样在美国重生。 he would be reborn in America as me.
晚安音乐书是我们拥有它的证明 Good night music book is we own it proof of point
我不像白宫的参与者那样买很多东西 I don't make a lot of purchases people the way did a white house participant
看看是对的吗? Look what's right?
博士，当她走到这里的时候 Doctor the jake track of 550 when she walked this way
在赛季开始前参加了一场比赛 took a play off before the season
你要放几首歌 How many tracks will you play
我不知道，6个就行了。 I don't know, it seems fine with six.
假设我只买这个。 so Say i'll take just this one.
我知道这是我想对你说的无数次中的一次 I know that's like one of the millions I want to you
正确的 right
然后把那个放下 And then lay that one down
这样我就可以把其他的放在上面这部分的这个 So that I can put the other ones on top of that so about this one for this section
这是我下一部分的名字 This one is my name for the next section
这是我下一部分的名字 This one is my name of the next section
如果你愿意，你也可以去，我也可以去。 Or you can take them if you want, or I can take them.
如果你在想，我看起来不像一个开悟的佛教大师。 If you're thinking, I don't look like an enlightened buddhist master.
你是对的。 You're right.
我想不出比这更糟糕的描述自己的方式了。 I couldn't think of a worse way to describe myself.
是的,完全 Yeah, exactly
这就是 That's what
西藏人 The tibetans
我想我告诉过你他们用牛奶和蜂蜜做热水 I think I told you such a they do this hot water with milk and honey
不不不，这是我的地盘。 no no No, such on my place.
爸爸，你在看书吗 Papa, are you reading king
你知道的，你应该喝酒，然后去西藏 you know you do You should drink and you go to tibet
你可以在那里问你 you can ask you there
除了我制作音乐视频， Other than the fact that I make music videos,
我的生活很平凡。 my life is pretty ordinary.
来, to to To
我在为为人父母的责任而挣扎。 I struggle with the responsibilities of being a parent.
我和我妻子分居了。 I'm separated for my wife.
我过着一份领薪水的生活。 and I live from paycheck to paycheck.
明天我第一次见你。 You're going to see you tomorrow at my first time.
我们必须这么做。 We have to be.
你能说明天见吗 Can you say i'll see you tomorrow
你明天要来我家喂鱼 um You're coming down to my house tomorrow to feed the fish
我在看一些属于这种文化骚动的物品。 I'm looking at some of the belongings of such and cultural rumpus.
这是我的一个朋友最近从尼泊尔的一个修道院回来给我的 They were recently delivered to me by a friend returning from a monastery in nepal
几百年来，这些精美的绘画一直用于西藏的佛教启蒙 These exquisite paintings were used in buddhist initiation in tibet for hundreds of years
现在, Now,
它们放在我卧室壁橱里的一个盒子里。 they sit in a box in my bedroom closet.
在16世纪，每四个藏人中就有一个是僧人。 In the 16th century, one in four tibetans was a buddhist monk or none.
这是藏传佛教的黄金时期 It was during this golden age of tibetan buddhism
这是一个传统的起源。 that a tradition originated.
我们即将迎来一位开悟的佛教导师的去世。 We're upon the passing away of an enlightened buddhist teacher.
一个年幼的孩子会被认为是转世。 A young child would be recognized as the reincarnation.
这个孩子将继承他们前辈修道院的领导权， This child would assume leadership of their predecessors monastery,
以及周围的村庄。 as well as surrounding villages.
他们称这些孩子， They called these children,
转世灵童 tacos.
有些人成为了伟大的领袖， Some became great leaders,
其他人，老师，学者，诗人，还有 others, teachers, scholars, poets, and
几百年来，这一传统一直没有改变。 for hundreds of years, this tradition remained unchanged.
在20世纪70年代，一些有趣的事情开始发生。 in the 1970s, something interesting started happening.
转世灵童在西方被发现。 Tacos were being discovered in the west.
我知道，因为我就是其中一员， I know, because I was one of them,
被顶果钦哲仁波切认证为蒋贡康楚仁波切（创巴仁波切的老师）的转世 recognized by dilgo can say rumpus or revered what is master
1976年他访问加州期间， during his visit to california in 1976,
他告诉了我的家人，他认为我是一个转世灵童。 he informed my family, he believed I was a tool.
他的一位同修在西藏去世后转世， The reincarnation of one of his peers who had died in tibet,
我马上就会被转世过去。 and that I should be in thrown immediately.
你会的，你会的。 You will you could.
所以在我三岁的时候，我就登上了位于加州伯克利的法王的宝座。 so At 3 years old, I was in throne as a tokyo, in berkeley, california.
这就是我的故事的开始。 That's where my story begins.
我没有。 I didn't.
嗯 Mhm
你不知道该怎么办。 You don't know how to do.
我的名字是格萨尔.木克坡。 My name is Gesar Mukpo.
我住在XX（没听出这啥地方） and I live in halifax, nova scotia.
我一直在旅行， I've been a constant traveler,
在美国、加拿大、英国、德国甚至印度长大。 growing up in the united states, canada, england, germany and, even india.
但在我告诉你更多关于我自己的事之前 But before I tell you any more about myself
我想看看另一个在哈利法克斯长大的转世灵童 i'd like to take a look at another tool who grew up in halifax
我的好朋友， The close friend of mine,
迪伦亨德森。 dylan henderson.
迪伦是在西方发现的第一个白人转世。 Dylan was the first caucasian tool to be discovered in the west.
1975年，伟大的教师和学者丘阳·创巴仁波切认证了他。 He was recognized in 1975 by the great teacher and scholar chugeong trump.
我的父亲, My father,
迪伦当然有一个独特的故事 dylan certainly has a unique story
一个金发碧眼的西部孩子， that of a blond, haired, blue eyed western child,
被西藏僧侣选为他们师父的转世。 chosen by tibetan monks as the reincarnation of their teacher.
那是狗仔队。 It was paparazzi over there.
好了好了 ok Ok
注意下面的语法。 Be careful the following grammar, okay.
好吧是的 Ok yeah
这里有一张小照片，这是当年的简 a little picture over here is that in the year is that jane
瑜伽的照片，是你。 the yoga picture, that's you.
现在你看起来像80岁了，你只是个老男人。看起来是的 Now you look like you're 80 years old, you just and the old man. look Yeah
你爸爸看起来像个嬉皮士，很好。 Yeah, your father looking like a hippie, good.
哦对不起。你父亲长得像你。 uh Excuse me. There's your father looking like you.
看见那辆绿色的货车了吗? See that green van.
我们住在那辆绿色货车里。 We lived in that green van.
直到老的诞生。 Till the old was born.
我们见过面 We met
在吉米·亨德里克斯的音乐会上。 at the jimmy hendrix concert.
我参加了反战运动。 I was involved with the anti war movement.
我去了南方，和马丁·路德·金的团队一起工作 I went south and I worked with martin luther king's group
佐治亚州亚特兰大郊外。 outside of atlanta, georgia.
他的父亲是一名激进分子。是啊，我都没那么做。 and His father was an activist. yeah I didn't even do that.
或者我的牙齿。她的母亲开始对藏传佛教感兴趣。 Or my teeth. Her mother became interested in tibetan buddhism.
第75个夏天去了科罗拉多州的博尔德，去了纽约学院 Summer 75 went out to boulder, colorado, to new york institute
做一个有特朗普成员的项目。 to do a program with uh trump membership.
谈话结束后走到我面前 Walked up after a talk,
嗯，有点像展示我自己 um sort of presented myself and
第二天早上。 the next morning.
或者晚上 Or that night
罗伯特·蔡斯说他回来了 robert chase said uh came back
他说你想和我谈谈，在我办公室 He said you want to talk to me, my office
在早上。 in the morning.
和 And
我们去见了他。 we went and met him.
我的 My
被推到她前面，跑进房间见面。 Pushed ahead of her, ran into the room to meet.
我当时觉得，有一种真实的 and I felt at that time, there was a real
呃连接。 uh connection.
对吧?嗯 Right? Um
他就像一个 Who's like a
爱一个人，或者 aa loved one or um uh
这听起来可能很奇怪，但作为父母 this may sound strange, but a parent
它有那种感觉。 it had that that sense.
我也不知道自己为什么会和这个人有联系，但是 And ii felt I didn't know exactly why I was connected to this person or anything like that, but
我感觉到了这种联系。 I felt this connection.
他告诉过我母亲和周围的人，但他没有做这个 He had told my mother and people around, but he didn't make this
常识 general knowledge
说我是他的人 that I was uh one of his
老师。 teachers.
但他没有说是谁 But he didn't say who
他就讲到这里。 um and he left it at that.
哦,我的上帝。 Oh my god.
在那。他想让我去 At that., he wanted me to go
来迎接即将举行的黑帽加冕仪式 to meet his holiness karma who is going to be giving aa black crowned ceremony and boulder
我见到了创巴仁波切 and I met his holiness crumand
我和他也有很深的联系 I also had a very strong connection with him
然后他证实 and then He confirmed
观察 the recognition
把我当成转世灵童 of me as a taco.
他让我去房间（这里没听懂） and At that., he wanted me to come to room tech,
我就可以坐上王位，穿上长袍。 where I would be in throne and put in robes.
那将是最后一次听到我的消息。 and That would be the last year ever heard of me.
但是创巴仁波切说不行。 ah But tuberculosis said no.
他说他在西方出生是有原因的 He said uh he was born in the west for a reason
他将见证我的教育 and he would undersee my education
我也不会被带到房间里去。 and I would not be taken to room tech.
无论我做什么，我都需要在实践中学习。 Whatever I do, I need to study in practice.
不要说 Don't say that
它帮助我理解了很多我曾经遇到的问题 it's helping me to understand a lot of the problems that I had
在西方的东京，没有一个形式和结构 being in tokyo in the west and not having a form and a structure
在东部可能有转世。 that tacos maybe had in the east.
我有人类学和历史学的学位， I have a degree in anthropology and history,
都是非常吸引人的课题。 both very fascinating subjects.
潜水是美妙的。 Diving is wonderful.
对我来说，这是在行动中练习冥想。 For me, it's taken on quality of being a meditation in action practice.
因为它真的帮助我思考。 because It really helps me work with my mind.
我必须真正地在场 I have to really be present
而且对周围的环境非常敏感。 and very aware of my surroundings.
我父亲对我的教育也做了同样的决定。 My father had made the same decision about my education.
所以迪伦和我不得不思考同样的问题。 so Dylan, and I had to ponder the same question.
如果我们不打算以传统方式在修道院中长大， If we weren't going to be brought up in the traditional way in a monastery,
成为一个转世的人意味着什么? what does even mean to be a talker?
在这夏天，有江湖骗子在教书吗? Are there any charlatans teaching at the road of the summer?
我们得找个人。 well We have to have someone.
否则，东西要处理掉。 Otherwise, things to clean.
通常，一些庇护所也是 and often, some of the shelters are also
启发了一个学生 uh inspired a student
以老师的名义。 in the name of being teacher.
所以这是有空间的。 so There's room for that.
我们必须长大。 We had to grow up.
它必须变成， and It had to become a,
美国佛教徒, american buddhists,
他启发 who inspired
谁有共同的智慧? and who has the understanding together?
另一种方法能否在西方世界发挥作用呢 Can the other work with the western world is that
有这种情况是必要的。 it is necessary to have that kind of situation.
有一点 There is a point
在我们一半人能达到的水平 at the level that half of we can
住在。 live on.
导入。 Import.
我们最好还是自己生产， and There's some point that we better manufacture ourselves um,
而不是拒绝别人。 rather than barring from someone else.
否则，你就是一笔巨大的债务。 Otherwise, you are, an enormous debt.
我父亲于1987年去世 my father died in 1987
还带走了我很多问题的答案。 and took with him the answers to so many of my questions.
所以我得去佛罗里达看我妈妈 so I had to florida to see my mother
听听她的回忆，听听她的建议 hear her recollections and get her advice
在你怀孕之前，我也做了一个梦，很有趣。 I had a dream also before you were conceived, which was quite interesting.
我是你父亲的评论。 I was a commentary with your father.
我在梦中（没懂干嘛），我走进隔壁的房间。 and I dry in my dream, I went into the room next door.
有一个人站在角落里是个男人 and There was a being there standing in the corner it was a male
被 being
在梦里对我说， and said to me in, the dream said,
求你了，你能在你身体里给我留一个位置吗? please, will you give me a place in your body?
几周后我就怀孕了，我们之前努力了几个月 and I was pregnant within a couple of weeks and we had been trying for a few months so
我想这是你8岁生日派对。 Think it's your 8th birthday party.
因为我们有一个化妆舞会 As we had a costume party
而你是武士 and you were samurai
是不是每个人都打扮得漂漂亮亮 was a major everybody dressed up
是的，我记得整个我记得那套衣服。我喜欢那套衣服。 Yeah, I remember the whole I remember that outfit. I loved that outfit.
太好了。 So great.
是的 Yeah
是的 yeah
我母亲1953年出生在伦敦的一个上流社会家庭。 My mother was born in london in 1953 to an upper class british family.
她的父亲为她和她的母亲是歌剧演员而感到丢人。 Her father embarrassed her and her mother in opera singer.
我父亲出生在西藏平原的一个帐篷里。 My father was born in a tent on the plains of tibet.
是的 Yeah
当他18个月大的时候 When he was 18 months old
一群僧侣会出现在帐篷门口，宣布他是 a group of monks would show up at the tent door to declare him in
他们的老师转世 the reincarnation of their teacher
他会在佛学院长大，直到19岁。 He'll be raised in a monastery until he was 19.
当他在中国入侵后逃之夭夭时。 When he fled to bed on the heels of the chinese invasion.
来到印度4年了，你真是个聪明的人。 A brilliant mind 4 years after arriving in india.
他最后去了英国，上了牛津大学，只靠微薄的奖学金 He would end up in england attending oxford university on a spalling scholarship
在那里 It was there
他和我母亲认识的人 that he and my mother met.
我听说他要在 I heard that he was going to be giving a talk at
伦敦的西藏解放集会。 a rally for tibetan liberation in london.
那是我第一次看到他 And that was the first time I sat eyes on him
当他走到舞台下面的时候，我立刻和他产生了一种共鸣 and I felt an immediate an instant connection with him as soon as he walked under the stage
从那以后，我决定去见他。 so After that I resolved to meet him.
我没想到会有我第一眼看到他时的那种反应 I didn't expect to have the kind of reaction that I had when I just set eyes on him
我觉得我已经认识他五次了 I felt like i'd known him for five times
我第一次见到他的时候，我和他的关系很直接，很自然 The first time I saw him uh was immediate and spontaneous, incredible connection
剩下的就是历史了。 and The rest is history.
有很多是快乐型的 There were a lot in a sort of happy types
但总的来说是知识分子 um but generally really sort of the intelligentsia
非常非常聪明的人都被他吸引。 Very, very smart people were attracted to him.
他很聪明，但丝毫没有受到威胁。 and He was brilliant and wasn't threatened by that at all.
那些非常非常聪明的人， So people who were very, very smart,
他们大多受过大学教育， most of them college educated,
他们其实是在寻找对他们来说更有意义的东西而不是他们成长的环境 uh who actually were really seeking something that would make more sense to them than what they had been raised with
我们花了一些时间在一起，他对我说 We spend some time together and he said to me
我真想有一天来娶你 sometime i'd love to marry you
我对他说，我也想嫁给你。 and I said to him, well i'd like to marry you too.
然后我们在1970年1月1日发现 And then we discovered the january 1st 1970
苏格兰通过了一项法律 there had been a law passed in scotland
你可以在16岁结婚而不被父母阻止。 that you could get married at 16 without your parents concerned.
所以在1970年1月3日，我和他在一起了 So in january the third 1970, I awoke with him
我们结婚时去的爱丁堡 to edinburgh where we got married,
那时离我16岁生日还不到3个月。 which was less than 3 months after my 16th birthday.
我母亲从伦敦来找她的报纸记者那里得知了这一点 My mother found out from the newspaper reporters that knocked on her door in london
对她说。 and said to her.
我们想知道你女儿嫁给了西藏僧人的事 We'd like to find out about your daughter who married the tibetan monk
她说 And she said
我的天啊，我的天啊 oh my god oh my god
Tessa结婚了 tessa got married
Tessa是我19岁的姐姐 and tesco was my older sister who that time was 19
他们说 and they said
不不不 no no no
这是戴安娜 it was diana
她晕倒了。 and She fainted.
所有的孩子都很兴奋，戴安娜做了一件很酷的事。 All the kids, but really excited that diana done a very cool thing.
我是说他非常爱你。他相信你。 I mean he loved you very much. He believed in you.
100%。 100%.
他非常关心你的教育，并且非常强烈地认为你长大后可以成为一个非常有影响力的佛教导师 He was really concerned about your education and felt very strongly that you could grow up and become a very powerful buddhist teacher
想要创造最好的环境 and wanted to create the best environment
让你走出去，接受教育，朝着那个方向发展。 um for you to go out and be educated to be able to go in that direction.
如果我父亲相信我能成为一名佛教教师。 If my father believed I could become a buddhist teacher.
是啊，可没送我去佛教寺院。 Yeah, didn't send me off to a buddhist monastery.
那他到底是怎么想的? Then what exactly did he have in mind?
在西方出生的转世者是一个有趣的困境。 Being a tool who born in the west is an interesting predicament.
没有预先确定的路线 There is no predetermined course
所以不可能知道你是否在正轨上 so it's impossible to tell whether you're on track or not
我不得不去纽约去见另一个西方的象征，Shock I had to new york city to meet another western token, a shocker
为了了解他是如何应对这种不寻常的情况， and to find out how he is dealt with his unusual circumstance,
Shock和我还有一些共同点。 a shock and I have something else in common.
我们的母亲, Our mother,
Shock a shocker.
是我弟弟吗 Is my younger brother
在外面。 on the outside.
呃，我想我们是的。 Uh i'm thinking five is that we yeah.
在西藏，一个家庭出生多个孩子是很正常的 In tibet, it was not unusual for more than one token to be born into the same family
这实际上是一幅画， This is actually a painting of the previous incarnation of,
（没听懂） commune represet.
很明显我说了很多 so you know Ii obviously say a lot that
我 I
作为一个高个团体很难相处，但是 have a very hard time with being a tall group, but
是的，我现在还在展示我的前世今生 yeah, I still display this talk of my previous incarnations
我不知道这是什么意思，但是 I don't know what that says, but
他们为什么不给你? why don't they give it to you?
我想是他们给我的 I think, they gave it to me
我肯定，因为他们相信我就是他们以前老师的化身 i'm sure, because they believe that I am the incarnation of their previous teacher
这就是困难所在 and that's what's so hard about it
你知道 you Know
如果我相信我是（没听清是谁）的化身，那也没关系 it It wouldn't matter if I believed that I was the incarnation of community and rishape
如果我在教书 if I was teaching
如果我接受了所有的训练 And if I had gone through all that training
我就不用担心那么多了 I wouldn't have to worry so much about that
因为我可以满足他们所需要的角色 because i'd actually be fulfilling that role that they need
我在西藏的时候 when I was in tibet
我的意思是，这是一次非常紧张的经历 I mean it was a really intense experience I was in thrown
这就是他们的方式 which is you know they're essentially their way of
一种 kind of
救世主, sanctifying,
对下一次化身的再认识。 the recognition of the next incarnation of a repetition.
所以你知道另一个喇嘛会举行一个仪式他们在那里传递祝福和前人的手工艺品 So you know another lama will perform a ceremony where they sort of impart the blessings and the artifacts of the previous
化身。这是一种官方的印章审批 incarnation. And that's sort of the official you know stamp approval
现在的你，你知道你要扮演那个角色，坐上那个位子。 that you are now you know hold that role and you hold that seat.
有一个人，他应该是以前社区的弟弟，他走到我面前，他很老 One point of man who was supposedly the who was the younger brother of the previous community and appreciate was you know came up to me and he was a very old man
他的眼泪顺着他的脸流下来你知道你感觉有点像一头被车灯照到的鹿 and He was just tears streaming down his face and you know you kind of feel a little bit like a deer in the headlights
你能为别人提供什么?所以我试着 What do you offer to somebody? So I tried to just
尽可能多地去那里，还有还有。 be there as much as I can, and and.
我不知道，你知道，我不，我不知道。 Ii don't know you know I don't I don't know what the fuck.
哦,上帝 oh God
我今天过得很开心。 and I am have a great day.
一天早晨。 Day morning.
好吧。 All right.
他说， He said the way,
我不这么认为 little bit i don't think
我的角色是当一名教师 that my role is to be a teacher
穿上长袍，登上宝座 be wearing robes and be up on a on a throne
如果这让我成为一个失败转世者的话 And if that makes me a fail tool cool
也许那只是我的因果报应。 and maybe that's just my karma.
但我还是觉得我能对某人有所帮助。 but I still think I can be of some kind of benefit to somebody.
这就是我认为成为佛教徒的意义所在 and That's I think what being a buddhist is about
我在人权观察工作， I work at human rights watch,
哪个是非营利组织 which is a nonprofit organization
那 that
监测是指对美国境内监狱状况进行监测的项目对世界不同国家的人权状况进行监测 monitors are human rights conditions in different countries around the world for the program that does prison conditions inside of the united states
所以 So
我们看的是 We really look at
在美国被监禁的人的处境。 the situation for people who are incarcerated in america.
你知道，我们试图调查那些我们觉得对那些囚犯的照顾标准没有得到满足的情况 and you know We try to investigate situations where we feel like the standard of care for those prisoners isn't being met
我们试图改变一些我们认为没有改变的政策 and We try to get certain policies changed that we think are not
对监狱里的犯人的康复很有帮助。 uh beneficial for the rehabilitation of prisoners who are in jail.
嗨，是我吗，凯文? Hi, is this, kevin.
你好,凯文 Hi, kevin
你好吗? How are you doing
这是人权观察组织的一次露面 This is a showup for human rights watch
我只是在跟进她前几天给我们的电话 I'm just following up on the phone call that she gave to us the other day
我想如果警察没有妥善处理这件事 I think if the police aren't uh you know handling this appropriately
也许你值得考虑找个法律代理 it might be worthwhile for you to think about getting some legal representation
朋友 Friend.
我的意思是，我认为有很多人像你一样 I mean I think there's a lot of people like you
那些没有因暴力犯罪而被捕但却因犯罪类型而被捕的人 who were not arrested for violent crimes and and you know were arrested for the types of crimes
通常人们认为是 And typically people think are
你知道人们想要登记的罪行。 you know the crimes that people want the registry of committed.
但是还有同样的问题比如骚扰，失业等等这些问题 But then there's subjects the same kind of harassment and lack of employment and you know those kinds of problems that
听起来你是你是在和他们偶遇。 it sounds like you're you're running across them.
好吧 Okay
我一直觉得 I've always really felt like
帮助人们 helping people
从…的角度 from the perspective of
你知道的，作为一个受过教育的人 you know being an educated
一个来自富裕家庭的西方人。 westerner who came from like you know pretty well off family.
重要的是要有所回报。 It's important to give something back.
我想我已经决定了无论我这辈子做什么 I think i've at this point pretty much decided that whatever I do with my life
我希望它至少能让这个世界变得更美好一点 I wanna have it be about at least trying to make the world a little bit of a better place
因为现在有很多问题 because there's a lot of problems out there
那些真正实现了对他们的巨大期望的人呢 What about the talkers who have actually lived up to the tremendous expectations placed on them
在我眼里 In my eyes
这一切的活生生的化身就是我的老师 the living embodiment of this is my teacher
宗萨仁波切不得不说是著名的佛教大师和电影制作人 Zsa can't say a renowned buddhist master and filmmaker
所以为了找到他， So in hopes of tracking him down,
我坐上飞机去印度北部。 I get on a plane and travel to northern india.
印度是佛教的发源地。 India is the birthplace of buddhism.
2500年前 2,500 years ago
于是乔达摩来到了这个世界，并最终成为历史上最有影响力的人物之一 So darcy came into this world and eventually became one of the most influential figures in history
给你戴上吧。 Let's put it on you.
早上好。噢,是的 Good morning. oh Yeah
他做到了，他做到了。我知道他带了一个人去那里。噢,是的。 he did He did. I know that he took a man there. oh Yeah.
1959年，在中国入侵期间，许多藏人逃到了印度， In 1959, during the chinese invasion, many tibetans fled to india,
印度政府帮助他们在那里建立西藏难民定居点 where the indian government helped them establish tibetan refugee settlements
其中一个坐落在喜马拉雅山麓的定居点就是Beer。 One of these settlements perched in himalayan foothills was beer.
这是我父亲50年前逃往印度时的第一站 This was my father's first stop when he escaped to india almost 50 years ago
今天, Today,
Beer已经发展成为一个繁荣的藏族社区。 beer has grown into a thriving tibetan community.
是的，这是个好主意。 Yeah, that's a good idea.
没有回头, Without looking back,
我们永远无法前进。 we can never move forward.
但如果不继续前进， But without moving forward,
我们只是被困在过去。 we are simply stuck in the past.
当我还是个孩子的时候。 When I was a child.
作为象征性场景的想法是完全正常的。 The idea of being a token scene completely normal.
我十几岁的时候 By the time I hit my teens
我开始觉得整件事都很疯狂，不知道是不是有人在跟我开玩笑 I started to find the whole thing crazy and wondered if someone was playing some kind of joke on me
我爱你。 I love you.
呃 uh
哇 wow
在我只有十一二岁的时候，父亲的学生向我征求意见是很平常的事 It wasn't unusual to have one of my father's students ask me for advice when I was only 11 or 12 years old
我一直觉得我有某种义务是人们对我的期望 I've always felt I have some kind of obligation that people expected for me
但我一直搞不清楚到底是什么。 But I could never figure out exactly what it was.
如果我只是一个普通人，我该如何履行这些义务呢? and How can I fulfill these obligations if i'm just an ordinary person?
我第一次见到vsa I first met vsa
救不了他（没听懂） can't save him she
我16岁的时候，我的老师就被他吸引住了 My teacher, when I was 16 years old and was immediately drawn to him
几年后，我没有去上大学， a few years later, instead of going to college,
我去印度和他一起学习。 I went to india to study with him.
我一直很重视他的指导和洞察力 I've always valued his guidance and insight
我希望能和他相处一段时间 and i'm hoping to spend some time with him
显然，我不是唯一一个。 Apparently, i'm not the only one.
你现在有。 and and and You have nowadays.
是的 Yeah
首先, First of all,
,方法是 all, methods are
的事情。 thing.
这是 that's
很好。 Very well.
方法都是泛化的。 And methods are generalization.
嗯嗯 um Um
没有什么特殊的东西。 There's no such thing, as a specific.
永远不会改变。 Never changing.
只有这一块巨石。 Only this sort of monolithic.
只有这样，只有那样 only This only that way kind of
方法。 method.
这是一个概括。 It's a generalization.
这是一个 it's A
它总是发生变化。 it's always changing.
好吧 Okay
基于此， So based on that,
我不能一直谈论治安维持者的事。 I can't really go on talking everything about the vigilante.
但我想也许只是。 but I thought maybe just.
看，这又是另一个时刻。 um See, this is again, another moment.
我不能告诉你的事实 The fact that I can't tell you
耶耶耶耶 yeah yeah yeah yeah
这是。 this is.
非常感谢。 Thank you very much.
宗萨在传统意义上是个转世活佛 reyes is a tool in the traditional way
他接受了广泛的教育 he underwent an extensive education
他也是一位电影人，他的处女作在戛纳电影节上广受好评 He is also a filmmaker whose debut film was well received at the cannes film festival
谢谢你！ Thank you.
我是个很传统的。 I'ma very traditional.
你知道 you Know
你一定见过很多新的转世者，天哪。 There's so many new two goods you must have met oh god that.
实际上有很多，他们表现得很好 In and there's actually many of them they behave you know
甚至，他们的行为。 and even, they behave.
成千上万的人，比起他们，这个不守规矩的人我更喜欢他。 Thousand of them and this man who miss behave I prefer him.
这是我可以告诉你的另一件事。 this That's another thing I can tell you.
我不知道。 I don't know.
我们还在等待。 We are still waiting.
我们还在等他做他该做的事。 We're still waiting for him to do what he's supposed to do.
这就是我要说的。 That's what I have to say.
你怎么看? What do you think?
所以 So
只有七个嗯嗯 Only seven uh um
达赖喇嘛，尤其是像这样的喇嘛 developers, especially high lama's like gamma bar in your case
哪个在链条里 which is in the chain
开始找, beginning to find,
两个祖古在西方 two goose in the west
是非常令人鼓舞的。 is very encouraging.
这实际上显示了 This actually shows
没有 there is no
的 sort of
像你这样知道裙带关系的人永远都是你认识的西方人 nepotism like you know that two goods will always you know the westerners
你知道你完蛋了你知道你永远不会成为 you know You're all doomed you know you would never be a
这个化身。你明白我的意思吗? this incarnation. You understand what i'm saying?
这是一件很棒的事情。 and This is a great thing.
我认为他们应该更多 I think they should be more
你知道好 you know okay
如果处理得当， if it was done properly,
因为 because
从两点可以看出， you know from 2 points,
从转世。看, from the reincarnation.of view,
转世不像你知道的那样依赖不终成为唯一的依赖 reincarnation does not you know like the dependence don't end up becoming only dependent
到处都有移民。 in terms of migration happens everywhere.
其实有些高羊驼是为了众生的利益 In fact, some of the high llama for the benefit of sentient beings
它们必须像鸟类一样进行改造 they must reinvent as a bird
或释放它。 or release it.
但是我们人类不想说任何关于 But we human beings don't want to say anything in terms of
用蜥蜴当诱饵 in trolling a lizard as a
攻城的人对你来说是座大修道院。 the siege holder of you a, big monastery to you.
同样地，在任何有利的地方表现， Similarly, manifestation also wherever it benefits,
无论它的好处, wherever it benefits,
凡是转世有益的地方， wherever the reincarnation benefits,
即使作为一个失败者。 even as a loser.
是的,是的是的。 Yeah, yeah yeah.
他好莱坞。所以有那么一分钟， He way hollywood. So for a minute,
如果你躺在那里，不要害怕这个世界 don't be afraid of the world if you lay out there and
有时是在你外面，有时你在里面思考。 Sometimes the sides outside of you, and sometimes you think right in it.
有时你躺在外面，有人死去，跟着我。 Sometimes you lie out, people die out, comes with me.
不客气 You're welcome
我发现托尔金有个年轻的名字叫怀亚特 I found out that there's this young tolkien name of wyatt
我想应该是23岁左右吧 I think 23 or somewhere in that range
嗯 Um
我的老师，儿子不能说夏伊房间， and My teacher, sonson can't say room shay,
我猜是让他去学藏语什么的。 I guess told him to study tibetan or something like that.
呃 Uh
我想打个电话，我有手机号码， so yeah I wanna give a call, I have a cell phone number,
给他打个电话，看看 and give him a call and see if
我们可以聚一聚。 uh we can get together.
我不确定我能不能联系上他。 and I'm not sure if I can get in touch with him.
但为什么不试试呢? But why not give it a shot?
拜托，宝贝还在上课呢。 Come on baby is in class though.
希望他在上课。 Hopefully he's in class.
有时候，你可以用金钱买到更多的微笑。你一定要赢， and Sometimes you can buy a smile more times. You've got to win it,
但你不需要拥有这个世界，你就会有这种感觉。 but you don't need to own the world to feel right there, any.
所以看这里，把你这边的后背加入到放松的歌曲中 So see right there and take your side of the back into the songs that relax
所以 And so
这是一条崎岖的道路，当你输了，放下自己的喜悦 it's a bumpy road you when you lose to set yourself down in joy i
坐很久很久 sit down long long
呃形状。 Uh shape.
静音,花招。你叫什么名字?你叫什么名字? La muting, gimmick. What's your name? What's your name?
为什么，顺便说一句，以防万一，先生。 Hey, why it, by the way, in case, sir.
很高兴认识你，你从哪里来 Nice to meet you where are you from
旧金山。 san francisco.
我现在住在加拿大。 and we I live in canada now.
谢谢你能来，我请你吃晚饭吧。 So thanks for coming, man, yeah let me buy you dinner.
好吧是的 okay Yeah
不,我没有。 No, I didn't.
就像我五岁的时候应该去印度一样。 like I was supposed to go to india when I was five.
我父亲想让我在西方长大。 My father wanted to raise me in the west.
和我的母亲 and My mother
不想让我绕半个地球走。 didn't want to let me go halfway around the world.
直到一年前我才去了印度。 I ended up not going to india until just a year ago.
我是 I was
识别和迷住了。 recognized and enthralled.
当我5岁的时候 When I was 5 years old
通过向重力充电， by charging to gravity,
我不害怕。 I wasn't scared.
我不紧张。 I wasn't nervous.
这是非常 And it was very
放松点，但这很紧张。 relax, but it was very intense.
嗯 Um
我觉得当你还是个孩子的时候， I think when you're a kid,
人们更容易接受， it's easier for people to accept,
因为你太天真了。 because you're so innocent.
你这么新鲜。 You're so fresh.
和 And
你不用担心他们的期望。 you're not worried about their expectations.
所以他们很容易相信，因为那只是个男孩。 so It was easy for them to believe, because it's just a boy.
在天主教预科学校，我被注意到了 In the catholic prep school, I was noticed
一个小的困境。 a little dilemma.
让我们把它放好放好放好。 Let's keep it put it put it put it.
当我还是个孩子的时候 When I was a kid,
我会说一些事情。 I would say things.
你知道吗，我记得你和我一起在这个院子里玩诸如此类还有秋葵汤 you know I remember you and me hanging out in this courtyard and such as such and gumbo
在这样的时刻，在这样的地方，在西藏， in such such a time, such as such a place in tibet,
被吸引到他身边， for attracted to go being around him,
就像 was like
我的意思是他是一个祖父 was a grandfather I mean he is sort of
总是照顾我，管教我。 was always looking after me, disciplining me.
有段时间他教我睡觉 He taught me to bed in for a while
我小的时候，他教我如何在床上读书 He told me how to read to bed when I was little
他的王位一直在他旁边。 He had been on the throne always next to him.
我还得在放你的。 and I'd have to read my text during put your.
各种各样的实践。 All sorts of practices.
是啊，和他在一起当然是很 Yeah, being and of course being around him was so
我喜欢待在周围，我怎么可能不 I loved being around I mean how could I not
他真是太好了 He is just so kind
我们永远不会我们会把一切都给我 We never we would give everything to me
永远用这双眼睛看着我。 Just always look at me with those eyes.
就像, Like,
你怎么说你知道当你想让所有人看着你的时候 how do you say that you know when those eyes that you want everybody to look at you with
的眼睛 Those eyes of
我就是这样的 I just such
护理。我不知道。 care. I don't know.
我不知道。 I don't know.
有很多好词来形容它。 So many good words for it.
直到我八岁的时候，我才和他在一起。 That whole phase was until I was eight after that being around him.
我们不怎么说话。 We didn't talk so much.
有一天我去了，我想也许 I went to one day, I think maybe
2000美元，就在我上高中之前。 two thousand right before I was entering high school.
你知道这就像，我该怎么做?就像, you know It's like, what what should I do which is? Like,
听你爸爸的话。 listen to your father.
在那之后，它 so After that, it
他的 he's sort of
ei的意思 ei mean
他减轻了很多。 he eased off a lot.
从那以后我就变了。 I changed after that.
我不知道该怎么解释。 I don't know how to explain it.
有时候我觉得，也许他已经不在乎了。 Some days I felt like oh maybe he doesn't care anymore.
但是还有 But then there was
当然，我还能看到那双眼睛， and you know I still saw those eyes, of course,
我对喇嘛舞很感兴趣。 and I had taken an interest in lama dancing.
我很喜欢 I'm so into it
我只是很喜欢这个 I was just into this thing
我是说你穿上这身巨大的服装 I mean you put on this huge costume
这方面, that ways,
也许30磅重 maybe￡30
而且面具能扎进你的脑袋 and does mask that digs into to your head
就像你知道你要把所有的垫子都放进去一样 like you know you gotta put all these pads in it
就像你知道那有巨大的牙齿你穿着那样的服装 And it's like you know there's huge teeth and you wear a costume like that and
你知道，你只需要在空中蹦蹦跳跳。 it's you know you just bear around and jump up in the air.
它非常有意思。 It's really exciting.
和 And
我太喜欢了，当我当我坐下来，抬头看着他 I enjoyed it so much that when I when I sat back down and looked up to him
他就像 he was like
我从没见过他。 i'd i'd never seen him.
所以 So
内容。 content.
和我在一起，我总是担心他的认可。 With me, I was always worried about his approval.
在那之后 and After that
它只是也许它是主人 it had just maybe it was the host of
我觉得是整个仪式的问题 I think it was just the whole ceremony
他的样子。所以 and He looks. So
我真的很开心你知道的，为曾经拥有的一切感到开心 just really happy you know happy about everything that had
在头上。 at the head.
来了。 Come.
我是，但最后一个 I was, but the last
这是他们最后的影像。 the last image I have of them.
它不是。 It doesn't.
不久之后, Soon after that,
毫无疑问, without a doubt,
“转世”最显著的部分是与教师建立的联系 the most remarkable part of being a tool coup is the connections developed with teachers
在某种程度上，我父亲既是我的父母又是我的老师。 In a way, my father was both my parent and my teacher.
失去他对我来说是毁灭性的打击。 So losing him was devastating.
我在这种地方的时候， It's when i'm in places like this,
被我们神圣的文化所包围 surrounded by our sacred culture
我觉得和他最亲近。 that I feel closest to him.
只有两张已知的照片记录了这种文化上的骚动。 There are only two known photographs of such and cultural rumpus.
1, 1,
在一家中国照相馆拍的。 taken in a chinese photo studio.
第二个 And the second
在他晚年， from his later years,
由我十几岁的父亲用他借来的老式盒式照相机拍摄的。 taken by my teenage father with an old box camera that he had borrowed.
晚上，他在主佛龛里冲洗并打印了这张照片。 He developed and printed the picture at night in the main shrine room.
我能想象我父亲一定很自豪。 I can only imagine how proud my father must have been.
当他冲洗了他的第一张照片，看到他老师的脸出现了。 When he developed his first picture and saw the face of his teacher appear.
整个噶玛巴传统始于700多年前的第二次（没听懂） The entire toku tradition began with a second karma more than 700 years ago
我正坐在XX佛学院的台阶上 I'm sitting on the steps of kyoto monastery
我们要采访法王 We're about to interview his holiness
17世大宝法王噶玛巴 oregon tilley, georgia, the 17th karma,
在我6岁的时候，16世认出了我， the 16th come up recognized me when I was 6 years old,
所以这是我第一次见到他的转世。 as well. so This is the first time i'm meeting his reincarnation.
当前的转世 The current karma
是第17世（没听懂）。 is the 17th in an unbroken line of tall.
14岁时， At 14 years old,
他勇敢地逃离了西藏。 he made a daring escape from tibet.
你不相信自己是个转世人吗? Did you have any problems believing that you were a talker?
嗯 Mhm
我自己，是的，是的，所以 Myself, yeah yeah, so
（说的藏语，更加听不懂了） there is only a message to thomas kim, mister, just as chemicals.
我从未质疑过我是一名祖古 I think I can miss it. All of us can do this
通常，如果我们认为自己 I don't know.
会成为我们所认为的那样，我们也许会质疑。 In india control.
对一些人来说，告诉你怎么做总是很难的 to some of the that is always hard to tell you how to do it
两倍的能量。 double energy.
嗯 Um
既不是父母也不是我会认为 You need to get out of here.
我将会成为噶玛巴 I mean I don't know.
当我被认证为噶玛巴后 I got my young teacher in china.
就我周围的环境而言 You don't want to.
呃 Uh
和其他同龄的孩子相比 And
是非常有约束的 in the group of the time,
在那时有理由那会是不高兴 in the in the sun
成为一名喇嘛或者祖古 Number two to the gnb ae?
给我一种极大的信心 G de.
不管有多少困难要面对，我从未失去信心 uh Got it actually like that the body, show you a man.
噶玛巴 The karma is
他在藏族人中非常重要，深受爱戴 an incredibly important and beloved figure in the tibetan community
他被认为是现任达赖喇嘛的可能继任者。 He is considered a possible successor to the current dalai lama.
有些人甚至说，达赖喇嘛正在为他培养这个职位 Some people have even said that the dalai lama is grooming him for this job
西藏政府部门。你知道 Tibetan ministries. you Know
他们过去是很大的现在是非常大的机构 They used to be big they're they're very big institution
你知道他们，他们，他们，他们 you know they they they They
有很多属性。在那里。它是一个很大的 there are a lot of properties. There. It's a very big
在西藏的社会结构中。 thing in the social structure in tibet.
哪里有钱，哪里就有权力 And wherever there is a money where ever, there is a power
有，腐败。 there is, a corruption.
还有一种恐惧。 and There's also a fear.
也有 There's also
你必须有一个管理团队。 you have to have a management.
你知道 you Know
所以它可以是 so It could be
为了管理的目的 for the purpose of managing
一个大的机构。 a big institution.
这是 This happens to be a
你知道 you know
答案就在我们的社会，比如西藏。 an answer in our society like tibet.
我是说在西方。 I mean in the west.
假设你进行了选举 Let's say you elect
白宫里的大人物 uh the the big guy in the white house
但这并没有在西藏发生 but it does not really happen in this is like in tibet
这个方法 so The way to
呃方法 uh way to
继续 continue
那个大人物 the big guy in
嗯你知道 uh you know
白宫 white house
碰巧是这样的。 happens to be like this.
它有它的它的魅力 and it has its its Its charm
你知道它做得好不好 you know if it is done properly
我是说像总统我爱他 I mean like the president that I love him
她拥有最高的王位之一 She holds one of the highest throne
我是说他是日本最高的王座 I mean the highest throne in japan and he happens to be
一个农民的责任， charge of a farmer,
真的是一个贫穷的农民。 really a poor farmer.
谢谢，谢谢。 thank you Thank you.
嗯 um
嗯是的 mhm yeah
是的。是的是的。 Yeah. Yeah yeah.
什么都没有，都是我见过的纪念品 Nothing all of the tokens that i've met
有类似的感觉，几乎迷失还是 have a similar feeling almost being lost or
一个人，没有人可以和他们说话，但不是很糟糕。 alone and and no one they can talk to, but not really in a bad way.
一个转世者 A shocker.
有一次他对我说 He said to me at one point
我不怎么想这些事 I don't really think about this stuff
非常多或谈论它 very much or talk about it
当你在西方长大的时候 When you grow up as a toko in the west
你可以完全颠倒过来，完全不相信或者完全相信 you could sort of completely flip and not believe it at all or completely believe it
它可以在一个想法的情况下来回翻转。 and It can flip back and forth you know with one thought.
我真的明白为什么要这么做 and I really see why going through that
我意识到这很有趣，因为我现在34岁了，为什么是20岁 And it's interesting for me to realize because i'm 34 now and why it's 20
他真的想向我寻求建议还是 that he's actually looking to me for for advice or
你可以问问我，我经历了什么，我是如何应对的，然后意识到其实我有一些宝贵的经验 you know sort of ask me what i've gone through and how i've dealt with it and realize that actually you know I have some kind of valuable experience that
你知道我可以用。 you know I can reassure them with.
我的意思是二世。 I mean ii.
呃 Uh
你可能一直在和这种事情作斗争。 You may have always struggled with this kind of stuff.
成为一个转世者这个想法太牵强了 The whole idea of being a tool who is so sort of far fetched
就这样。 and so out there.
如果你告诉大多数人 If you tell to most people
他们只是认为这是一些你知道的完全的胡言乱语 they just think it's some you know complete mumbo jumbo bullshit
我觉得这个想法好吧，就是当你 I think the idea all right, it's just when you
给某人一个头衔，我的意思是 give someone a title I mean what what
你你之前是不是说过 do you you said something earlier like
你告诉别人他们应该是这个人吗? you tell someone they're supposed to be this person?
这是不是意味着你要像那个人一样行事 Like, does that mean you're supposed to act like that person
这是不是意味着你要继续做那个人做的事 Does that mean you're supposed to carry on whatever that person was doing
那个人和你有多少不同? Is that person different than you how much?
这太奇怪了。是的 It's just so strange. Yeah
我是说如果我是说如果你相信转世。 I mean if I mean if you believe in reincarnation.
每个人都太酷了。你知道 Everybody's uh too cool. you Know
但被确认的两个祖古应该是。 But the two goods that are recognized are supposed to be.
呃，那是什么一个第八级的身体软件它拥有超越业力的力量 uh What is it an 8th level body software who has power over karma power over
嗯，它的权力在什么地方? mhm What is it power over?
你知道时间。 Time you know.
如果他们可以, If they can,
它可以 it can
完全 completely
藐视一切法律 defy all the laws of
物理科学。 physical science.
因为 Because there
- minus
如此伟大，如此精确。 so great, so precise.
是啊，我想那真的是我的 Yeah, I guess that is really in my
的经验是, experience is that
我尽量不去想这些问题。 I try to not think about it in those terms.
因为这太 because That's just too sort of
难以置信。 unbelievable.
试着从更个人的角度去理解它。 And try to understand it on a more personal level.
为了尝试，我想当我读到这种东西的时候 To try, I guess I feel like when I read about that kind of stuff
这对我来说更有意义 it makes more sense to me
因为它不仅仅是一些 because it's not just some
有些人喜欢模糊的概念。 some like vague concept.
就像有一个实际的设计， Like there's an actual design,
是整个设计的工作方式。 is a whole design to the way it works.
就像树的生长方式有一个完整的设计。 Just like there's a whole design into the way the tree grows.
像有一定 Like there's certain
这是有原因的 there's certain causes that actually
有 have
形成的。 formed.
两个去。 The two go.
和什么? And what?
好像这是一件非常重要的事情。 Like it'sa, very important thing.
这真的很重要。 It's really important.
我好奇的是 and What i'm curious
知道的是, to know is,
这样做对吗? is it right to
在西方没有制度的情况下保持这种传统 to keep this tradition going in the west when there's no system for it to be held
就好像没有办法把这两个人联系起来一样 like there's no system to bring up the two
没有父母会放弃自己的孩子。 and There's no parents that are just going to give up their kid.
一个在西方出生的人不可能跳进西藏的作息表，然后 There's no way someone is born in the west is gonna hop into a tibetan schedule and
学习14年，好像这是可能的。 study you know14 years like it's possible.
是的，我知道了。 Yeah, I figured that out.
我们要试试这个 We get to try this,
试着有个坚强 trying to have a strong
坚持所谓的文化和传统。 grip on a so called culture and tradition.
在很多方面，这不是一件明智的事情。 In many ways, it's not a wise thing.
佛教必须超越文化和传统你们都知道。 Buddhism has to transcend culture and tradition you know all that.
但是当然 uh But of course
你知道我们得小心行事， you know we have to do it carefully,
因为 because
文化和传统就像这样意味着它就像一种媒介。 culture and traditions are like that means it's like a medium.
所以我们也不想 so We don't want to also sort of
就相信它吧 just trust it out
过夜。 overnight.
它需要慢慢来。你知道 It has to sort of slowly. you Know
有机 Organically
某种程度上的改变，它将会改变。它必须 sort of change and it will change. It has to
佛说一切复合的事物都在永恒，它会改变。 buddha said all compound things in permanent, it will change.
这要感谢西方的犬儒主义。 and Thanks to the western cynicism.
怀疑。这是很好的。 Skepticism. This is good.
这 This
你知道喜欢 you know like
探索，所以这个习惯。 quest, and so this habit.
这 and This
傲慢或想要保持客观的骄傲。 arrogance or the pride of wanting to be objective.
具有讽刺意味的是, Ironically helps,
你知道佛教。 you know buddhism.
因为当佛教旅行者，我的意思是有一小部分人你知道完全你知道 Because when buddhism travelers I mean there are there's a small pocket of you know completely you know like
希望你希望你记得江伯 wish you wish you remember jumbo, you know
感受你所理解的愿景。 feeling this vision that you understand.
但这也 But this also
太好了。 great.
许多 Many
西方佛教 western buddhist
皈依佛教是有原因的 going to buddhism because there is a reason
因为它是一个 and because it'sa
原因的 reason oriented
你知道面向逻辑的路径。 you know logic oriented path.
这很好。 and This is good.
这将是一个保证。 This will be a guarantee.
我最大的恐惧就是我遇到某个人，然后他们就会离开 I have the biggest fear that that i'll meet someone and then they'll go
然后他们会转过身来，他们会说 and then they'll turn around and they'll be like
他不是很好。你在开玩笑吧。 he's not too good. You gotta be kidding me.
导致 Cause
我有个巨大的 I have this huge you know welling of
骄傲在里面。 pride in the in that.
你知道 and you Know
让我们减少。 Let's cut down.
然后我觉得我什么都不是 Then I feel like i'm nothing,
这糟透了。 which sucks.
就像 Like
我只想做个正常人。 I just wanna be a normal guy.
当你是耶耶 When you are yeah yeah
是的 yeah
但不是真的。 but not really.
你确定吗? Are you sure?
好吧 Well
我的意思是如果 I mean if
如果巧克力谷歌是对的，你知道 if chocolate google was right, you know
即使是即使这不是真的 and even with the with even if it's not true
还是有标题的 there's still the title there
我是说，听起来我还是 I mean it sounds like it's better to me to just
有点不认识了 sort of stop recognizing
在西方，别再给人头衔和无人机了 stop giving titles and drones you know in the west
因为一旦你这么做了，它就会变成政治 Because soon as you do that, that's it just becomes political
就像整个社会阶梯。 like this whole social ladder.
你在这里，你在这里，每个人都尊敬你。 you're here You're here on it and everybody looks up to you.
但你会有一种可怕的，压倒性的自我怀疑感。 But you have this horrible, overwhelming sense of self doubt.
是的 Yeah
你喜欢待在上面。我的意思是我也经历了很多。 You love being up there. I mean that's what i'm going through a lot.
现在。 Now.
只是试着放下这些期望，放下 It's just trying to let go of these expectations, let go of
我的怀疑，放开我的感情 my doubt, let go of my feelings of
恐惧。 fear.
和 And
要意识到这些都与我对他人如何看待我的看法有关 realize that those are totally associated with my perception of of how other people see me
我也从我爸那里学到了很多东西， I got a lot of everything from my dad, too,
因为他真的很紧张。 because he's really intense.
关于这整件事。 About this, whole thing.
它有伟大的想法伟大的想法。 It's got big ideas big ideas.
当你当你是青少年的时候，你不是 and when you're When you're a teenager and, you're not
你对你爸爸太冷淡了，好像你想成为一个叛逆者。 you know too cool with your dad, like you're trying to be a rebel.
这会让事情变得更糟吗， Should it just makes it all worse,
至少让我的情况变得更糟了。 at least made it made it so much worse for me.
我不知道。 I don't know.
我是说你父亲去世的时候吗? Didn't I mean when your father passed away?
你觉得迷路了吗? Did you feel lost?
现在回想起来 Looking back now
我刚意识到我爸爸完全相信我能搞清楚 I just realizing my dad a complete faith that i'd figure it out
他需要做的就是 um And what all he needed to do is for like
给我上一课，让我知道做一个好人意味着什么。 Give me his lesson of what it meant to be like a good human being.
和 And
我会把所有我需要弄清楚的事情都弄清楚如果我能在你知道的基础上工作 that I would figure things out of everything I need to figure out if I can just work on the basis of like you know
让我的生活 making my life yeah
某种程度上是健康的还是。你知道 healthy in some way or. you Know
被说。 Being saying.
我想，不，我见过。你在说什么? I thought, no, I have. What are you talking about?
不，当你放的时候就够了，它很贵的。 No, this is enough when you put, it's very expensive.
我觉得你要收钱了。 I think you're going to charge you.
是的是的 yeah yeah
你准备好了吗? Are you ready?
嗯 Mhm
你打算怎么玩? How are you going to play it?
一切。 Everything.
对对对，对对。 yeah yeah Yeah, yeah yeah.
嗯 Um
同样的事情。 The same thing.
但它总是 but It's always just
呃 uh
他在我的窗户上。 he's on my window.
哦，在我的脑海里。 oh In my mind.
是的,是的是的。 Yeah, yeah yeah.
能让你远离 Can keep you from
哦,我的 oh my
不，我甚至不能。 No, I can't even.
看,然后。 See, you then.
好。 Good.
昨天见到你。 See you yesterday.
的窗口。 That's the window.
不,不。让你。 No one, no. One's keeping you.
你好。 Hello.
我15岁的时候 When I was 15
我父亲去世了，我母亲决定把我送到尼泊尔 my father passed away and my mother decided it was time to send me to nepal
她把我从学校里救了出来把我交给了dilcan She plucked me out of school and put me in the hands of dilcan
那个认出我并扔给我的西藏喇嘛说 say rumpus the tibetan lama who had recognized and had thrown to me
再见，再见。 Bye bye, bye bye.
我已经19年没回尼泊尔了。 It's been almost 19 years since i've been back to nepal.
哦 Oh
不。 No.
因为街道。 Because of the street.
我学习更好 I'm learning better
这是一个 it's a
我帮不了你。 I can't help you.
哦，不，它认出我了。 oh No it recognizes me.
在2000年。 In the year 2000.
年轻的儿子。 Young man son.
谢谢你！ Thank you.
这些东西有什么用? What do these things do?
这也是 This is also the
显然，既然狄格尔不能说我们在夏伊来过这里 obviously, since diggle can't say we're in shay was here
这是我第一个 this is the first place that I actually
和他在一起很长时间。 spent any extended period of time with him.
和 And
你知道他是个很棒的人。 you know he's an amazing person.
他改变了我的人生。 He just you know changed my life.
我刚来的时候 When I first came here,
我遇到了rob schshay，他 I met rob schshay, who's
这个修道院的院长。 the head of this monastery pretty much.
和 And
他知道我刚从西部来。那时我15岁。 he knew I was just coming over from the west. I was 15 years old.
所以他让人把他的电视搬到我家还有一堆前三天的录像带 so He had his television brought down to my house and a bunch of video tapes for the first 3 days
我只是不停地看电影 I just watched movies constantly
我在第四天回来的时候看到了录像机。 and I came back like on the 4th day and the vcr television we're going on.
和 And
从那时起，我开始学习藏语。 that's when I started studying tibetan.
首先，我出生在一个佛教家庭。 First of all, I was born in a buddhist family.
到处都是大喇嘛。 Really big llama here and there.
然后在我很年轻的时候，我基本上被推了进去 And then at the age of like really young, I was basically shoved into
我可能我不会使用世界武力。 I might I will not use the world force.
基本上。所以没有参考资料。 Just basically. So there was no reference.
没有参考。 There's no reference.
现在一切都在改变。 This is all changing now.
我想我有很多钱。 I think I have a lot of money.
到尼泊尔后不久，我遇到了鲁本·德里克， Shortly after arriving in nepal, I met reuben derrick,
1986年出生于阿姆斯特丹，在尼泊尔和不丹长大。 born in amsterdam in 1986 raised in nepal and bhutan.
鲁本被认为是托尔金家族的一员 Reuben was recognized as a tolkien
当他11岁的时候。 when he was 11 years old.
哦,我的上帝, oh My god,
是的 yeah
现在，当我年轻的时候我有前世的记忆。 now, as young, um I had memories of a previous life.
所以我妈妈把这些都写了下来，有点像写日记 and so My mother was writing those down and kind of keeping a journal of
我刚才说的。和 what I was saying. And
我描述了修道院 I described the monastery um that's
呃，我是在我之前教过的地方长大的还有一些发生过的事情 uh I grew up in or that I taught in my previous life and some of the events that went on
我完全不记得这件事了 And I have no no memory of this whatsoever
现在。 Now.
不过如此。 But so.
他们必须是西藏僧人 um They had to tibetan monk
朋友还是佛教徒，僧人 friends or buddhist um boots monk friends
他们 And they
说这是件大事什么的。和 said it was a big deal or something. And
当宗萨蒋扬钦哲仁波切在这里协助时 when the digel quincy rambo chair was being coordinated here
我当时也被认出来了 um I was also recognized at that time
是的 Yeah
所以我在林肯大学完成了我的学业 So I finished my um school year at lincoln
加州的那所美国学校 which is the american school here in kathmandu
,嗯。 And um.
然后我去了佛学院。 Then I went to the monastery.
嗯 Um
我不能说这不是完全自愿的，因为 I can't say it wasn't completely voluntary because it
我不知道我要面对的是什么 I didn't really know what I was getting into
但我也不介意去参加那个佛教活动，因为我 but I was also okay with going to the whole buddhist thing because I had
这些佛教僧侣的形象 image of these um buddhist monks
圣洁，安详，无所不知，有智慧，他们真的可以教会我整个佛教 as being holy and serene and all knowing and wise and that they could really teach me the whole buddhist yeah
没有佛教哲学之类的东西。 no buddhist philosophy and everything and.
6天，一周，5天，6天，一周，周日不上班，我可以想象 6 days, a week, 5 days, 6 days, a week, sunday was off. I can imagine
三年那么紧张的生活 three years of that kind of intensity
对任何人。 for anyone.
你知道 you Know
是要求很多人都能接受更不用说一个没有接受过的小孩 is Is asking a lot of someone to be able to take let alone a young child who hadn't
在这样的环境中长大。 grown up in this kind of surroundings.
是啊，大多数人都不知道佛学院里发生了什么。 Yeah, most people have no idea what goes down in a monastery.
我的意思是，如果你把600个人聚集在一起，你期望你能得到什么? I mean if you put 600 men together, what do you expect your going to get?
在佛学院里有一些人是有用的 and There are some people in the monastery who were goods
那些每天都在练习的领导者 leaders who were practicing every day who really
那里有你敬仰的人。 where people you could look up to.
然而，大多数情况下 However, the majority of the cases
嗯 um
佛学院。基本上都是嫉妒的污水坑 the monastery. There was basically a cesspool of jealousy of
讨厌的暴力。 hates of violence.
和 And
在很多方面都不是佛教。 very unbuddhist in a lot of ways.
至少 At least
佛教的意思是，他们宣讲一件事，然后转身，做了完全相反的事情 and buddhist in the sense that they preach one thing and then they turn around and do exactly the opposite
你有 You have
任何你找到 anything you find
你会在佛学院发现从同性恋到虐待儿童，再到 You would have found in a in a christian monastery from homosexuality to child abuse, to
殴打。这是 beatings. That's something that
他自己的血脉说当这个人问我关于不丹的问题时， his own serum was saying when this person asked me a question about bhutan,
斯里兰卡, sri lanka,
像在佛教中是有区别的 like there's a difference between buddhism
和佛教徒。 and buddhists.
你最好能意识到它们之间有区别 and You better recognize that there's a difference between them or else
你不会明白其中的任何道理 You won't be able to make any sense out of it
仅仅因为某人的 Just because someone's
学习佛教并不意味着他们 of studying buddhism does not mean that they
代表了它所谈论的价值。你知道 represent the values of what it talks about and. you Know
你认为你自己是什么?不。 Do you consider yourself what is still? No.
是的。不过，你跟我说过你会回去的 Yeah. Now, yet still, as as, you told me you will go back
不丹。是的，在不丹有一个持续一周的仪式。 to bhutan. yeah There's a ceremony that lasts about a week in bhutan.
我每年都会去那里一周的时间来主持仪式 um and I have been going back there every year for um for the 1 week to um mc the ceremony
我这么做的原因是，我不这么做 and yeah The reason I do that, see, I don't
我不知道我是否相信 I don't know if I believe in
转世或 reincarnation or
还有所有的佛教价值观，传统价值观。 and all the buddhist value, the traditional values.
我真的不喜欢。 I really don't.
但我回去不是因为 But the reason I go back there is not because
我说我想每年都去那里 I say want to go back there every year
但更多的是因为这让这些人非常开心 but more because it makes these people so incredibly happy
在佛教中，有因果法则等概念 In buddhism, there is concept such as gene combination concepts
比如去所有那些地方 such as to go all of that
但是制度化的生产系统 But the institutionalized throughput system that we
有在更好， have in to better,
我觉得不存在这样的东西。 I don't think some something like this exists.
最初的佛教, Originally in buddhism,
在经书和胸口 in the sutra and chestors
我们从来没有听说过，我们从来没有读过关于你知道的，（人名，没听出来） we never hear we never read about you know cashiapas or malcolm putrize or cherry putus died
然后 And then
我花了几个月的时间寻找他们的信息 in a bunch of months of trying to find their information
我们有，我们有 we have we we have
我们不知道这类事件。我的意思是 we don't know this kind of event. I mean there are
好提。所以 okay mention. So
我想，天啊，（没听懂） I suppose gosh uh gender gummy who reek and who
在英格兰,它是 through england, it's
你懂的，但是实际的机构 you understand, but the actual institution
或者传统的文化 or the culture of the tradition of
你知道 you know
试着去找，然后他们 trying to find that to go and then them
所有这些都和西藏有点关系 and all of that is a bit of a tibetan thing
我觉得开始得很晚。 Started much later, I feel.
现在, and Now,
我个人认为，要保持这种文化， I personally think that to hold that culture,
制度化的,真实的。 institutionalized, truthful.
这种文化就是时间。 That culture is time.
这行不通了。 It's not going to work anymore.
甚至连 And even even
如果不成功，我认为这几乎是更好的。 and if it doesn't work, I think it's almost for the better.
因为 Because
这应该, this should go,
它将会，如果 it's going to, if
如果藏人不小心，这个转世可以系统， if the tibetans are not careful, this tool could system,
佛教要下雨了。 it's going to rain buddhism.
说到底，佛教更重要。 and At the end of the day, buddhism is more important.
他们怎么样了? What happens to them?
刻度盘, So just dial,
是的 yeah
00 111 21。 00 one one twenty one.
是的 Yeah
很抱歉，您所拨打的电话无法正常通话 We're sorry, your call cannot be completed in style
请核对号码后再拨，或打电话给您的接线员帮助您 Please check the number and dial again or call your operator to help you
转身，就说你相信 Turn, said that you believe in
我不知道该说什么， i didn't really know what to say,
因为你在这里待了这么久， because you've been around such a long time,
长了一整天，你会的。 grown the whole day, you will.
我意识到这里没有什么能留住你。 I realize there's nothing here to hold you.
那人是我的话，我的孩子说， The man's my words and my child say,
是的，你是你生命中属于你的人。 yes, you are a man in your life belongs to you.
你得充分利用一切 You have to make the best of things
无论你做什么 no matter what you do
记住，打架和别人的妻子都要独处 remember, fights and people's wives to be left alone
她说，求求你， Nifer else she said, please,
记得回家。 remember home.
确定。你能做很多吗? Sure. Can you do quite a bit?
你好。 Hello.
Acc Acc
你好，很高兴听到你的声音 hello, sounds good to hear you
你好,你好 Hello, hello
你现在在哪，告诉我你最近怎么样 Where are you now and tell me how you've been
我听说你成长得够多了。 I hear you've done enough a lot of growing.
嗯 Mhm
你长大了能应付吗?你叫什么名字? Have you grown enough to handle? What's your name?
你好，听起来不错。 Hello, sounds good to you.
很高兴能听到你控制的声音。 It's good to hear you sounds when you control.
这太糟糕了。你不能回家过圣诞节了。 It's too bad. You couldn't make it home for christmas.
的妻子如何?玛丽喜欢吗?不冷吗? How's wife? Mary like? Little cold?
是的，你是你生命中的男人。你 Yes, you are man in your life belongs to. You
你得充分利用一切 you have to make the best of things
无论你做什么 no matter what you do
记住打架和别人的妻子，否则就别来烦我 remember fights and peoples wives or to be left alone
妮可她摔倒了，拜托。 Niko l she fell, please.
记住 The member.
我为能说话而自豪。 I'm proud of being a talker.
尽管我问了很多问题但这是我生命中非常特别和宝贵的东西。 And despite my questions is something very special and dear in my life.
这也不会改变这段宝贵的经历。 and It wouldn't change anything about this precious experience.
我珍视和老师们的联系， I value the connection to my teachers,
西藏社区。 the tibetan community.
佛学院 And by monastery,
嘿嘿。 hey hey.
不不不，好吧，我们可以。 mhm no no No okay so we can.
第一。是的。 Number one. Yes.
你好,我是巴蒂尔 Hello, i'm shane
哦,我很 oh I'm so
对不起 sorry
我没认出你来 I didn't recognize you
谢谢你！ Thank you
欢迎回来 Welcome back
是的，很高兴你来了 Yes, glad you made
当我第一次来到尼泊尔这样的佛学院时，我不确定你会不会在这里 I wasn't sure if you'd be here when I first came to such a monastery in nepal
年轻的修道院长罗布·约翰·里波什帮助我完成了艰难的转变。 The young abbot rob john ribosh helped me make the difficult transition.
他的善良的心和快乐的天性让我感到自在，远离家的世界 His kind heart and jovial nature made me feel at ease a world away from home
你可以做到。 You can do that.
在16:00时。 At 16:00.
在佛学院待了一年之后 After spending a year in the monastery
我开始想家了，我决定我不想在那里度过我的余生 I was feeling homesick and decided I didn't want to be there for the rest of my life
我打电话给我妈妈。 I called my mother.
她安排我马上回来。 and She arranged for me to come back immediately.
我常常怀疑自己的决定是否正确。 I've often wondered if I made the right decision.
你们肯定没见过小僧人。 and I'm sure you've never seen decimals.
你。 You are.
一些。 Some.
每个人都在这里。好几个月了? Getting everyone here. How many months better?
几乎三个月。哇 Almost three. Wow
但这样的人, But someone like,
我们要怎么后退一点呢? how do we retreat a little this is?
所以大多数在课程表上的人不上学 So most of these people who are in the schedule schedule and doesn't school
是的 yeah
啊 ah
我是否会说话并不重要。 whether I am a talker or not is insignificant.
我与这座佛学院和他的人民有着密切的联系， I have a tremendous connection to this monastery and his people,
与我父亲和他的家族有着巨大的联系。 a tremendous connection with my father and his heritage.
他们永远是我的一部分，无论我做什么。 They will always be a part of who I am, no matter what I do.
嗯 mhm
我永远都不知道我父亲到底是怎么想的。 I'll never know for sure what my father had in mind.
总会有一些模棱两可的地方。 There will always be a certain ambiguity.
但我还是觉得他知道我会自己弄明白的。 Still, I can't help but feel that he knew I would figure it out for myself.
与这些转世的人相处后，我发现我们有很多共同之处。 Having spent time with these talkers, I found we have much in common.
除了自我发现，我们没有确定的道路 There's no certain path for any of us other than the path of self discovery
这可能是一条孤独的道路。 It can be a lonely path.
但最终，这是任何有意义的事物诞生的唯一方式。 But in the end, it is the only way that anything meaningful is born.
我想不出比这更好的方式来表达我的敬意了， so I can't think of a better way to honor this situation,
然后回家和我女儿分享我的故事。 then to simply go home and share my story with my daughter.
也许有一天，她会让我们与生俱来的智慧永存 Perhaps someday she will keep this incredible wisdom that is our birthright alive
这些老师在他们的生活中，对他们所拥有的经验是完全满意的 Any of these teachers in their life are completely happy with the experience of what they had
他们在做什么 what they've been doing
哦,我的上帝。 oh My god.
你也知道我从没听说过佛教徒会在死后放弃信仰 and you know I've never heard of like a buddhist renouncing her faith at death
他在走廊里。所以有那么一分钟， He's away hallway. So for a minute,
不要害怕这个世界。你躺在那里 don't be afraid of the world. You laying out there and
有时是在你外面，有时你在里面思考。 sometimes the sides outside of you, and sometimes you think right in it.
有时你躺在外面，你知道的人会死。 Sometimes you lie out, people die you know comes with him.
他和他混在一起。他走了，霍洛威。所以有那么一分钟， He roll cons with him. So he's away, holloway. So for a minute,
如果你不出去，就不要害怕这个世界 don't be afraid of the world if you ain't out there
如果你不出去的话 And if you ain't out there and
你好吗? how are you?
有时你可以赢得更多的时间你必须赢得它。 and Sometimes you can buy a smile more time you've got to win it.
但你不需要在世界上所有的感觉是正确的 But you don't need all in the world to feel right there
就在这里，把你的马鞍放回你儿子那里放松，然后 And so say right there and take your saddle back into your son's relax and so right and then
这是一条崎岖的道路，当你失败时，放下自己，享受它， It's a bumpy road you when you lose, set yourself down and enjoy it,
坐下来好好享受，然后他就走了，霍洛威。所以有那么一分钟， sit down and enjoy it and he away, holloway. So for a minute,
不要害怕这个世界。如果你探出身子 don't be afraid all the world. If you lean out there and
你不在外面，而且。 you ain't out there and.